Well kids, I've "upgraded" to Avid 5.5 at my new office, and that means there's a whole host of new issues for me to bitch and moan about.

Chief among them is this bullshit:


This is what happens when I try to multigroup by doing exactly the same fucking thing that I used to do in Avid  Fucking Avid 5.5 is bullshit.

I guess there are some minor differences here:  I'm working in a 1080/23.976P project.  Okay, so there's one minor difference.  Fucking Avid, of course it goddamn breaks.

Let's start at the beginning (because it's a very good place to start) (and also because I like making Dad Jokes, apparently):  The group I'm making has a lot of pretty basic flaws.  First, it's eight hours long - that's actual media length, not the time spanned by that media.  Second, there's both XD Cam footage and imported GoPro clips.  Third, there's also iso audio.  Fourth, that iso audio is actually three different sources of iso audio.  Fuckin' right!  Normally I'd break this shit up into more manageable chunks, but I'm stepping into a show mid-season (as in, it's actively fucking airing) so there's not really time to explain different things to the team.  We'll stick with making a thing that looks just like the old thing, but works.

Okay, to the Google!

...  Let's try.. "can't multigroup Avid 5.5"

Wow, the whole fucking internet is full of people saying "you can't multigroup in 24P, " and also "waaaaa I'm a baby!"  Fuck you internet.  You're not helping.  Okay, maybe some sort of similar issue will come up if I Goog the error message (you know, like how you got to this page).  Okay, this is more useful.

"Can't multigroup GoPro footage" and "I have a fix for multigrouping GoPro footage."  A fix??  Fuck yes!  Good job, guy on the interwebs, what's your fix?

"Don't use audio."

The fuck you say?  Seriously.  Not using the audio isn't a fucking fix.  That's giving up and going home.  Literally.  You shouldn't have a job.

Does anyone else have something useful here?  No?  Seriously?  Assholes.

Okay, let's search again for just something more generic.  Maybe just "Can't multigroup"  That seems... too generic.  "Can't multigroup 24P" perhaps... Oh.  My.  God.  Okay, this is fucking paydirt.  Many, many props to the author of this excellent blog (and not nearly as full of offensive language, much to my chagrin):  http://rittorno.wordpress.com/  Seriously, everyone should just bookmark this page.  Oh yeah, the specific post I found to help me out?  Here it is.  He literally named it "Avid multigrouping doesn't work 24P Project.  Amazeballs.

Now, it's not exactly specific about the sort of error you get or how this helps, but don't worry, I'm gonna handle that shit right the fuck now.

Open your group bin with the sequence in question.

Then open the original source bins of every single imported clip that is in that sequence.

For each imported clip, you have to modify the source so that there is one, and if one already exists, you have to modify it anyway - just set the new source to be the exact same as the old one.  Running a little test with my GoPro footage... BAM!  I just grouped some motherfucking GoPro footage with audio in fucking Avid 5.5 in a 24P project.  Suck my dick, internet!

Alright, let's do the full group now, including the iso audio.

No timecode found for clip "clipname"

Avid, you mother fucker.

Clicking "more" gets me:

Now where have I seen that error before?

So I know this has to do with setting a source also.  Okay, so what in the seven green shits of Satan is wrong with my sources?  My iso audio is an autosync subclip of a subsequence that's made from three different sources... A ha!  All with different source labels.  Okay, if I modify those sources to all be the same source...


And that's how you multigroup every clip, all your audio, and all your video in a 24P Avid 5.5+ project.

Fuck you Avid, you can't stop me.


  1. Thank you for posting this!!!!!! You save me and my stupid 24P groups today.

  2. So here's my problem with this fix (I'm using MC 5.5)... I have two 5D cameras, one of which will let me modify the source while the project is in 1080p and the other will not let me modify source unless I switch to 23.976 NTSC. I get the message "sourceMob editrate (24) does not match tc editrate (30) even though the clips are clearly showing as 23.98 in the bin!! What in the everloving fuck is that about?

  3. Hi Michael, let's look at this Avid nonsense together, shall we? So the sourceMob refers to your clip media being 24P (presumably 23.976 fps), and it doesn't match the framerate (inexplicably referred to as "TC EditRate" in your error) of the project because that project is either 30P or 29.97 (or 59.94 HD). You should be able to modify the sources of the 24p footage in a 1080/24p project (you'll have to make a new project that hits that framerate). Even so, this isn't ideal - why did you let your crew shoot mixed framerate? Tell your DP he's a moron. Regardless, the best solution is going to be to convert your source clips to the target export framerate of your project *prior* to importing them into Avid. Use MPEG StreamClip or some similar conversion program and just run everything through it. It'll probably take some time, but then you'll have all footage in the proper format for your project.

    Remember, if everything is gonna be 59.94 when you output it, then you should make everything 59.94 before you import it. Likewise, if you're gonna be outputting 24P, you should covert footage to 24P before importing.


    Assuming you have too much footage to go back and re-import everything, or you don't have the time or patience (and who does), what happens when you modify source to the clips in their respective projects and then try to group them together? I'm guessing it does work because of the mixed rates, but have you tried? I know it's a pain in the ass to switch back and forth between projects, but that's what you're gonna have to do in order to get everything sourced.

  4. Oh I've dealt with mixed framerates here before, but this is a case of two 5D cameras, both supposedly shooting in 23.98. My project is 23.976p NTSC/1080p. All clips when AMA'd SAY they are 23.98 in the FPS column of the bin, yet one of the cameras will let me modify sources in the 1080p format and the other gives me the error message and will only let me modify the source when I'm in 23.976NTSC mode.

    I've managed to mage groups by not including the camera audio (which we don't need anyway), but the group becomes wildly out of sync and wrong partway though it and I'm positive the AUX TC24 assignments are correct and the subclips are correct. I'm almost ready to assume that Avid 5.5 just cannot properly group 23.98 footage.


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